Non resident tax form has changed

[Beachcomber]

The first step is to download the forms that you need to take to the identification authentication centre, often the local town hall (in Spain!). I don't know if there is a time limit, I would be inclined to wait until just before you come. I think you may need to use the same computer at this stage. You will then be given a password which you use to download the certificates which you then import into your browser as described in my previous post.

The procedure is similar for Internet Explorer as it is for Firefox. Once you have got to this stage I will explain the next steps.

[Enrique]

Hi Beachcomber,

Thanks for that.............11 months and counting

[chrissiehope]

Thanks Beachy - sounds as if I'd be best starting the process from the laptop in Spain, so I'll leave it on the back burner for now.

Julie - I found the first one tricky, but after that I just copied what I'd done the year before but with current figures

I'll be back, as they say, towards the end of April

[ashtondav]

Once I do all this can i then submit my quarterly 215 forms electronically, as well?

[Beachcomber]

It looks as though the form 215 is being discontinued along with form 212 and that the three monthly declaration will be done on the new form 210 which can be completed electronically and submitted online. There is a facility for 'agrupación' on the form and to specify a period.

[Beachcomber]

I have some more information regarding the changes to the form 210 for non-resident tax declarations.

If you buy the form from the tax office it will be the old style form as they have hundreds of thousands of them in stock and do not want to waste them.

You can no longer download these forms from the internet but you can complete the formula online here:

https://www2.agenciatributaria.gob.es/e ... tml?idi=ES

then generate and print out a .pdf file which you can take to the bank for payment in the usual way. (You cannot use the form shown in the link in my previous post as it is only an example).

If you have, or are going to obtain, a digital certificate you can do the whole thing online without printing out the forms or going to the bank.

The claim for repayment of the non-resident capital gains tax retention now has to be done on this form in the same way. Form 212 has been discontinued.

[chrissiehope]

Thanks for the link Beach

It was a bit scary when I got loads of messages saying the site didn't have a secure certificate and recommending not to go there but I installed the ActiveX control any way - live dangerously, that's my motto !

I have printed out the form so I can get my head around it.....

[Beachcomber]

The person I was speaking to in the AEAT IT department says that it does have a security certificate but that it hasn't been updated to take account of different web addresses.

The same problem exists with the CERES site from where you have to make the application for your digital signature.

[Julie]

So, Have I got this right, if we wish too, we can still use the old forms this year without problems,

[Enrique]

Hi Julie,
But can you still get the Barcode labels that need to go on the old Form 210.
Reason I ask as I applied (online) end of last year to get some and they haven't arrived yet.

[Beachcomber]

Julie, yes, you use the old forms this year. The new forms have not yet been printed. Having look again at the AEAT web site it seems that you can only use the paper forms this year for 2010 declarations.

Enrique, the bar code lables are still available but bear in mind that they are sent to the address in which you are registered with AEAT. If you know for sure that the address is recognised as valid by your local post office try applying for them again.

[chrissiehope]

Sorry, probably a silly question, but when you say

...then generate and print out a .pdf file which you can take to the bank for payment in the usual way....

does this mean we don't actually have to complete form 210, that the .pdf document wll suffice ? I'm thinking of the copy that you take to the Hacienda (my bank won't post it as I don't have envelopes )

[Beachcomber]

When you 'generate the pdf' it will take the appearance of the new form 210 which you print out and can take to the bank in the normal way.

However, it would appear that the information I was given by the AEAT helpline was incorrect in that you cannot use the new online form for declarations for 2010. When you try to generate the pdf it states that it is only valid for declarations subsequent to the 1st January 2011.

The old style form is still available from its original link but not from the AEAT home page:

http://www.aeat.es/AEAT/Contenidos_Comu ... idioma.pdf

The bank has to accept the form. They do not post it to AEAT they send it through their internal mail system and they should have a supply of generic AEAT envelopes for this purpose.

[chrissiehope]

OK let's see if I've got this right -

for the tax for 2010 you must use the old form 210, which can no longer be filled in online - can it be downloaded 'empty' or must it be purchased from a Hacienda office ?

for 2011 there will be a new form (as per the link) which will be sufficient for both the bank & the Hacienda. With a digital signature / security cert the form can be filled in and submitted online and payment made the same way (at the same time ?)

And yes I know that the bank should send the receipted 210 to the Hacienda, but mine (Unicaja) flatly refuses to do so, so we have to make a 20 min trip (each way) and queue just to hand over the paper....

I suppose that looking on the bright side, if we have to buy the 210 this year, we will get an envelope, so will still only have the one trip....

[boblocksmith]

In addition to Chrissiehopes questions - the barcode/security code for 2010 (1st time) do you still need to go to tax office to get the labels or is the security cert to be completed on line (for this year?)

[Julie]

Thanks Beach, I will do the old form this year and when the others are up on the new form I'll have a go next year, you know your getting on when you no longer like change Lol !

[Beachcomber]

Chrissiehope, the old style form 210 has to be used this year to submit returns for 2010. The link to the old form does not currently appear on the AEAT home page but it is still available by using the old link. I was told by the AEAT call centre that you can use the form which is available from this link but she didn't know why it was not available from the home page. I then spoke to someone in the IT department who said he would look into the matter! Form the old link you can either fill it in online and print it out or print it out and fill it in by hand just as before.

For next year it is not clear whether or not paper versions of the form will be available. You can either complete the formula and generate a pdf which will look like an updated version of the form 210 with all the boxes completed the print it out and take it to the bank for payment in the normal way or, if you obtain a digital signature (security certificate), you can fill in another version of the formula and submit the return and pay directly from your bank account online without the need to go to the bank or an AEAT office.

The next time you go the the AEAT office ask at the counter where you buy the forms for a supply of generic PADRE envelopes which are free and put the forms it it when you take them to the bank. If you pay in cash you can use any bank so you could find one that will send the forms for you. Banco Popular certainly will.

Boblocksmith, if you pay at the bank whether this year or next year you need the bar code labels as usual but if you pay online with a digital signature you don't. It is not compulsory to obtain a digital signature.

Julie, using the formula method is probably easier once you get used to it because it will not allow you to generate the pdf until it has been completed properly.

[chrissiehope]

Thanks Beach - that's very clear - this year I will just do as before

[rafiki]

You can no longer download these forms from the internet but you can complete the formula online here:
https://www2.agenciatributaria.gob.es/e ... tml?idi=ES

On a hunch I changed the '...idi-ES' to '...idi=EN' and got the form in English (sort of!):
https://www2.agenciatributaria.gob.es/e ... tml?idi=EN

[chrissiehope]

and here's the link to the old form 210 to save people from having to search again for it

http://www.agenciatributaria.es/AEAT/Co ... od210e.pdf